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Bad News Regarding the W3C's Mobile Web Best Practices Group

Luca Passani, of Openwave and WURFL made this post Friday to the wmlprogramming Yahoo! Group:

Last week I decided to stop contributing to the Best Practice document. Without going into too much detail, the main reason why I decided to abandon is that I didn't find the objective of the group to be clear enough. In particular, I had joined the group under the assumption that they were going to write guidelines about how to create content for mobile devices. Alas, this was not the case. Some group members think that the objective is to write guidelines *for web authors* who intend to make their content easy to be transformed into mobile content through adaptation proxies, while others still (and this is the position that bugs me the most) believe that it's possible to create guidelines that address both web and mobile web development in one shot in the name of some so-far-not-better-defined "One Web". To me, the lack of a clear objective was a show stopper. I believe that nothing valuable for developers can be obtained by building on such vague assumptions. This is painfully visible in the first draft, since many recomendations are IMO either banal, plain wrong or even contradictory. Mainly for this reason, I decided to stop contributing to the draft. Having said this, I invite members of WMLProgramming to use some time to review the document and post their comments to public-bpwg@... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/. The reason why you should do it is that, at the end of the day, this is a W3C document. If you ignore it, you may find it in front of you on some projects where the customer, for whatever reasons, will demand that you adhere to these guidelines. At that point, it will be to hard to complain :) Thanks Luca

I highly encourage you to visit the group and read the rest of the thread. If you don't think you need to, please re-read Luca's last 2 sentences again. Even if you think you are not a mobile developer, if you consider yourself a web developer, then you are a mobile developer.

Published Tuesday, November 01, 2005 8:17 AM by sjh

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Steve said:

Hate to correct you, but WURFL was originally invented and implemented by Laszlo Nadai, not by Luca. I have been on board from day one on 3 different forums, so I know. I also remember that Laszlo hosted all the releases on his own server. For some reason Laszlo decided not to contribute anymore, so Luca dumped him (now Laszlo is not even listed as author in the xml file). Go figure... Steve
August 25, 2006 7:21 PM
 

Richard Morrow said:

Thanks, Steve. I've known Laszlo Nadai for a number of years and am familiar with the work he did on WURFL. He showed it to me because I had been a telecommunications traffic for many years and he thought I might be interested. You are correct and I will confirm it because I think it's unprofessional for an author to lose attribution for their work on the flimsiest pretense that he hadn't continued writing it for a period of time. Should Dimitri Mendeleev lose authorship fof The Periodic Table of Elements for failing to maintain it as new elements were discovered? I think not. Laszlo is the author of WURFL and anyone who claims authorship of WURFL and does not include Laszlo Nadai's name is a credit snatcher. rickmorrow@hotmail.com
September 24, 2006 10:20 PM
 

Luca Passani said:

I am Luca Passani and I am the father of WURFL. Laszlo did have a role in WURFL pre-history, but he is not the WURFL father. I am. In fact, I had the idea even before Laszlo mentioned it on WMLProgramming. When he did, I jumped in and already had everything figured out. Of course, Laszlo would have had a prominent place in WURFL history if it wasn't for the fact that, after a few months of involvement, he virtually disappeared. That role was taken shortly afterward by Andrea Trasatti who invested tons of his time day after day over the past 5 years maintaining the repository, creating the PHP API, supporting developers and so on. For the record, the birth of WURFL is documented in the WMLProgramming archive, the mailing list on which WURFL was born. Here is the message in which Laszlo announced the idea: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/wmlprogramming/message/11332 and here is my reply just a few minutes later: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/wmlprogramming/message/11333 here is me giving WURFL a shape (which is also the message when I came up with the WURFL acronym: WAP Universal Resource File): http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/wmlprogramming/message/11401 Finally, there is nothing that says Laszlo in WURFL today. Not the data. Not the API. Not the tags (which is not surprising. He has contributed nothing for 4+ years). He did not contribute the WURFL structure and design (that was mine), he did not contribute the name (that was mine too), he did not provide device information (that was Andrea, me and a bunch of others). He did not support his API in ages and the current API is a totally different code base . He did not create nor manage the WURFL website (Mine and Andrea’s work). He hosted some hembrionic WURFL versions on his websites. No big deal. The WURFL site was created by me with my own hands and maintained on a day by day basis. Finally, Laszlo has not written a single message on WMLProgramming for several years (please compare this to me and Andrea’s *daily* effort in the same period). To make a long story short: Laszlo Nadai is *not* the father of WURFL. And I challenge everyone to come to WMLProgramming and claim differently. Luca Passani
February 20, 2007 4:07 PM
 

sjh said:

seems to me that Laszlo is credited correctly on WURFL's "credits" page:

http://wurfl.sourceforge.net/credits.php

and, having spent only a fraction of the hours Luca has on WMLProgramming and WURFL in general, I stand by my statement of Luca being the "father" of WURFL, he certainly is the one raising it now.

February 22, 2007 6:39 PM

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